This week Stephen is joined by immigration attorneys Luis Cortez and Valeria Gomez to discuss the confusing challenges facing those trying to win asylum, including The Notorious PSG (Particular Social Group). PSG are semantic word games testing who gets asylum or not, forcing people to prove demonstrably true facts with an special sequence of words or they are told to try again, via appeal, in a few years, maybe. Or they just get sent back into the situation they are fleeing, because, yes, they are in danger, but is it the “right kind of danger”? Don’t forget to check out the patreon at

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