This week we’re joined by former immigration judge Eliza Klein, and fellow immigration attorney Alicia Perez to discuss: Crappy lawyers. Why are there so many, and how do they manage to stay in business? The government shutdown. How is it affecting the immigration courts? Expensive immigrants. We talk about how right wing talking heads would like to discuss the cost of illegal immigration. Their numbers are inherently flawed, but more importantly, they don’t actually care about the numbers. Racists were never won over by math. Check out FAIR’s study here: If you like the show, check out our patreon at

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